Channel #semanticcamp: Logs

This is a public chat log generated from the #semanticcamp IRC channel.

23:00:23 tommorris: I've been asked for a basic tutorial on RDF
23:00:30 tommorris: I'm thinking of doing:
23:00:42 tommorris: - difference between subject, object and predicate
23:00:46 tommorris: - directed graph
23:01:01 tommorris: - classes
23:01:35 madness: if I manage to finish it, I'll be presenting a microformats zen garden style thing
23:01:41 tommorris: cool
23:01:49 madness: otherwise, I'll do a lightning talk or something
23:01:54 tommorris: we had an idea a while back of having a "most beautiful hcard" competition
23:02:04 tommorris: hey
23:03:03 tommorris: ooh, firefox 3 supports del.icio.us at last
23:25:34 cbetta: he all
23:26:31 cbetta: I lost my oyster card
23:26:37 cbetta: if someone finds it tomorrow
23:26:43 cbetta: has my face on it
23:26:44 cbetta: :D
23:29:57 cbetta: he leeky42
23:32:02 madness: cbetta: oops :(
23:32:12 cbetta: yeah
23:32:13 cbetta: quite
23:32:35 madness: cbetta: was it a season, or pre-pay ?
23:32:41 cbetta: lucky me I dint give that last 2 pounds at that thai restaurant as a tip
23:32:47 cbetta: prepay
23:32:51 cbetta: but auto-topup
23:32:53 madness: yeah !
23:32:56 cbetta: does have my face on it
23:34:13 cbetta: you are back "early" btw
23:35:06 madness: I got back at last 9:30
23:35:10 madness: like, even
23:35:14 madness: so wasn't too bad, really
23:35:21 madness: could have stayed at the pub a little longer
23:35:35 cbetta: cancelled the auto-topup on my oyster
23:35:44 cbetta: so I lost at most 14 pounds there
23:35:48 madness: madness nods
23:36:16 cbetta: he you can transfer stuff
23:36:21 cbetta: might buy a new oyster tomorrow
23:36:26 cbetta: and transfer my credit
23:41:09 cbetta: trying out symfony
23:41:15 cbetta: although the alcohol is not helping
23:42:02 madness: hah
23:54:41 cbetta: woot
23:54:45 cbetta: skeleton app works
00:04:45 madness: cbetta: woohoo :)
00:04:52 madness: cbetta: have you watched the admin generator screencast ?
00:05:02 cbetta: no
00:05:11 cbetta: just browsing through the standard docs
00:05:14 madness: http://www.symfony-project.org/screencast/admin-generator
00:05:24 madness: oops, missed him
00:05:43 cbetta: oops
00:06:19 madness: heh
00:06:25 madness: http://www.symfony-project.org/screencast/admin-generator
00:07:30 cbetta: well
00:07:43 cbetta: basically I first need the how-to-do-something-simple screencast
00:07:45 cbetta: :D
00:10:03 madness: hah
00:15:05 cbetta: going yo bed
00:15:07 cbetta: cya all
02:12:28 CaptSolo: hi all :)
07:30:02 madness: morning !
07:30:08 madness: madness is looking like late :/
08:19:17 peepo: morning al ~:"
08:19:22 peepo: all even
08:26:16 NeylonE: morning
08:27:20 NeylonE: morning
10:02:52 cbetta: mornin
10:13:34 cbetta: anybody see my Oyster card yet?
10:31:47 danieljohnlewis: Hi everyone, we are looking for people to do lightning talks... it would be good if you could think about something to do. Remember 4 minutes each (I've made a count down), preferably without slides, can be about anything.
10:32:25 danieljohnlewis: it'll be starting at 11:30
10:40:11 fresco: is anyone broadcasting the talks on Yahoo Live today?
10:43:16 fresco: it's on now, thanks
10:43:25 fresco: doh
10:45:17 cbetta: link?
10:45:35 fresco: http://live.yahoo.com/premasagar
10:46:19 cbetta: tnx
10:46:23 fresco: sound's all slo-mo here, but maybe that's just my end
10:46:24 cbetta: running a bit late today
10:46:49 cbetta: ahh gareth
10:47:22 madness: madness arrived late after getting stuck on the M4 behind an abnormal load :/
10:47:41 danieljohnlewis: sounds painful
10:48:51 cbetta: i am just late cause I needed sleep
10:49:00 premasagar: Streaming live video again for day 2: http://live.yahoo.com/premasagar
10:53:01 adw: good morning
10:57:54 OlegL: good morning all
11:04:51 danieljohnlewis: ok, so quick hands up from the person who wants to go first in the lightning talks
11:05:10 OlegL: uhh..
11:08:39 libby: heh
11:15:42 danbri: danbri rediscovers http://openp2p.com/lpt/a/554 "The Dublin Core may just as easily be used to describe "a journal article in PDF format," "an MPEG encoding of an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer recorded on a hacked TiVO," or "a healthcare speech given by the U.S. President on March 2, 2000.""
11:16:07 danbri: wondering how to do the Buffy example
11:16:46 danbri: the series is the thing that is the primary topic of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_(TV_series)
11:23:48 garethr: presentation up on slideshare - http://www.slideshare.net/garethr/parsing-microformats
11:26:20 danieljohnlewis: thanks garethr, just linked it from the Schedule page: http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Sunday_Schedule
11:27:52 danieljohnlewis: Lightning talks starting very soon in Room A
11:28:01 danieljohnlewis: OlegL, going first? if so get ready :_)
11:30:09 madness: does anyone want to help me with copy and examples for a microformats playground (zen garden style thing?)
11:36:57 danbri: are lightning talks on yet?
11:44:58 libby: are we keeping it to 4 mins?
11:51:46 libby: is this ligenting talks?
11:52:07 libby: in A?
11:54:54 peepo: no jibberjim then?
11:55:16 peepo: libby and danbri, can't be there today
11:55:32 peepo: you both missed my talk yesterday ~:''
11:55:38 peepo: can't be helped...
11:58:09 danbri: :(
11:58:23 peepo: please could you both briefly look over all the icons and links on my homepage?
11:58:38 peepo: http://peepo.getmyip.com/~JonathanChetwynd/zanadu.svg
11:58:47 peepo: best viewed in opera weeklies
11:58:49 danbri: have they changed?
11:58:54 danbri: ah i was looking at peepo.com
11:59:03 danbri: FF3 ok too?
11:59:11 peepo: should be,
11:59:23 peepo: you'll miss out on the chairs at ebay
11:59:37 peepo: it's about communication being 2 way
11:59:50 peepo: the web being reactive not proactive
12:00:22 peepo: you may like the pd log, the rdf is read and the appropriate logo displayed
12:00:35 peepo: ie for the cc license
12:01:17 Gandalfar: this?
12:01:36 peepo: plato's cave and our understanding of pet's, news, weather, chairs, maps and more...
12:02:45 libby: sorry peepo :-/
12:02:46 libby: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/impl/js/
12:02:56 libby: is the n3 bookmarklet thingy
12:03:47 peepo: so yes, for those that have it, it's duplication, but that's...
12:04:17 Gandalfar: libby, great
12:04:28 libby: dead handy
12:06:02 fresco: what's a good way to provide a SPARQL interface to an existing MySQL database these days?
12:06:08 yvesr: d2r?
12:06:18 yvesr: d2r is *really* easy to use
12:06:35 yvesr: http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bizer/d2r-server/
12:06:44 fresco: thanks yves
12:06:53 yvesr: np:)
12:08:21 danbri: i wish it wasnt gpl'd ... there would be a load more deployments if it had more laid-back licensing...
12:08:25 danbri: but yeah its v cool
12:09:08 peepo: libby that one seems to be broken for svg
12:09:19 peepo: which is kind of common ~:"
12:09:48 peepo: hoping that lynx & firevox may have svg support soon
12:10:03 peepo: which may help people to include titles...
12:10:09 peepo: have to run...
12:10:29 fresco: danbri: i was looking at your JQbus post just now
12:10:34 fresco: do you have it working
12:10:35 fresco: ?
12:13:43 danbri: working, yep mostly kinda
12:13:59 danbri: i'll give a lightning talk maybe
12:26:38 Gandalfar: room A: what's the link to JS project?
12:35:13 danbri: re streaming rdf, ... http://updates.sixapart.com/ is somehow near
12:35:50 danbri: try: curl http://updates.elsewhere.im/atom-stream.xml
12:38:22 danieljohnlewis: hi everyone, if you would like to ask me more questions about anything to do with OpenLink Software then you can over Lunch :)
12:38:57 danieljohnlewis: danieljohnlewis thinks that he should have done a proper OpenLink Data Spaces demo now instead of theory
12:39:39 Gandalfar: just paste some links
12:39:46 danbri: re virtuoso, i'm interested re any plans for the sql table mapping thingy
12:39:48 bengee: bengee activates knowee.net
12:40:01 danbri: the language for wrapping ordinary sql into sparql
12:40:13 danbri: the d2rish thing, i forget what you folks call yours!
12:40:32 bengee: if anyone is interested in µF aggregation stuff, I'm in room C
12:40:37 danieljohnlewis: virtuoso: http://virtuoso.openlinksw.net/
12:40:52 danbri: ah crap, too many interesting things at same time
12:40:56 danieljohnlewis: MyOpenLink: http://myopenlink.net/ods/
12:41:44 bengee: dunno, prolly to short-termish, just put it on the board, might be better to do it after lunch
12:43:04 Gandalfar: F aggregation?
12:43:50 bengee: mixing xfn + hcard + foaf 'n' stuff
12:44:05 Gandalfar: yep, I'll come :)
12:48:21 danieljohnlewis: NEWSFLASH: BBC will be using Ruby :)
12:49:43 yvesr: lol
12:49:47 yvesr: and vintage radios!
12:50:54 danieljohnlewis: my slides (sorry pdf format): http://vanirsystems.com/openlink/dataspacephilosophy.pdf
12:51:27 danieljohnlewis: I've added a load of links at the end of the slides too
12:51:28 CaptSolo: hi all
12:51:35 CaptSolo: sounds like an exciting event :)
12:51:49 yvesr: hi CaptSolo :)
12:51:51 yvesr: it is!
12:52:35 CaptSolo: have fun! :)
12:52:55 CaptSolo: pitty i can't be there, but it's good to have irc backchannel and live video to follow
12:53:33 CaptSolo: yvesr: are you coming to socnet portability webcam in cork by any chance?
12:53:43 CaptSolo: s/webcam/webcamp
13:26:51 danja: hmm, winder if there's overlap between the uriPlay stuff and this: http://www.metalinker.org/
13:27:43 danja: s/winder/wonder
13:29:12 danja: (which is mostly RDFized, via GRDDL)
13:32:49 yvesr: CaptSolo: nope :(
13:35:35 yvesr: danja: posted to the uriplay guys
13:36:36 danja: ta
13:37:08 danja: there isn't a vocab, beyond what's implied by the grddl results
13:37:53 danja: (which I think mostly corresponds to the names used in their xml)
13:39:24 CaptSolo: yvesr: i see. well, then see you in Beijing. :)
13:41:06 bengee: bengee happy that his 2nd talk was a little bit less chaotic
13:42:20 bengee: .. and heading home
13:44:39 libby: osmosoft++ for the nosh!
13:53:15 themattharris: semantopoly is back in session
14:28:14 danieljohnlewis: hows everyone doing?
14:28:39 OlegL: doing great
14:28:44 OlegL: i love the old hands-on
14:29:04 OlegL: everyone here should be an RDF expert by now
14:29:37 OlegL: but darn, the Net has slowed down a bunch
14:29:49 OlegL: someone on p2p or whut?
14:34:15 CaptSolo: could someone drop a short note here on who's presenting?
14:34:20 CaptSolo: (when presenters change)
14:35:08 CaptSolo: can't alway guess it from the video
14:35:10 CaptSolo: :(
14:35:29 libby: we have tom and yves here
14:35:55 CaptSolo: libby: thanks :)
14:42:36 gywst: Hello
14:49:22 danieljohnlewis: danbri and libby - we need to setup regular Bristol SWIG meets like we have in Oxford (esp. as I am moving to Bristol in may :-P )
14:50:26 danbri: yes definitely would be good to have more meetups
14:53:05 OlegL: the Ox weeps as you take sail djl
14:54:29 gywst: http://www.youtube.com/user/thepointdotcom
14:54:54 libby: so I made this for image anotation years ago: http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2003/06/codepictjs/
14:55:05 libby: it needs hooking up to the linked data
14:55:12 libby: (and it needs to work, heh
14:55:13 libby: )
14:55:21 danieljohnlewis: OlegL, I'll come back every now and then... maybe for Geek Nights
14:55:35 OlegL: :)
14:55:41 OlegL: it's a small country
14:55:50 libby: (it basically does lookups to external databases)
15:02:01 OlegL: libby: works for me, i like
15:02:32 libby: most of the services no workie I think, used ot be an airports lookup and a wordnet lookup etc
15:02:43 libby: also it's running off a tiny ancient box at home...
15:02:51 OlegL: libby: yeah seems the lookups don't complete
15:03:17 libby: it's odd the people one should work
15:03:41 cbetta: Just showed Hocus-Focus.com here to some people and they like it. So maybe you guys like it too.
15:04:21 yvesr: damn n3 mimetype not set up right on my web server :)
15:04:51 libby: ah this one works, olegl http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2003/06/codjsform/shell.html
15:05:00 yvesr: anyway - the thing we just created is available at http://moustaki.org/resources/foaf.rdf#me
15:05:37 libby: sorta
15:05:44 libby: good stuff yvesr
15:06:45 yvesr: hmm not sure the curl browsing was the best way to make it look cool :)
15:06:50 yvesr: but thanks libby :)
15:07:00 OlegL: cbetta: good site, libby: thanks, got foaf
15:07:17 OlegL: i thought curling it was cool
15:07:29 OlegL: swcurl, though? that's leet
15:07:53 yvesr: heh:)
15:09:48 pauld: "The Web is Agreement" link for my Jure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/psd/1805709102/in/set-72157602805227511/
15:09:54 Gandalfar: thanks :)
15:09:59 pauld: s/my//
15:10:45 tommorris: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tommorris/2271647774/
15:10:46 danbri: cool re http://moustaki.org/resources/foaf.rdf#me ... sorry i missed start of the session
15:12:25 libby: libby likes the under construction semweb superhighway
15:13:16 danbri: hmm how about mysocalledfriends.foaf-project.org demo that showed unreciprocated friend etc links in the google social graph api?
15:13:57 yvesr: danbri: heh- that'd be cool!
15:14:09 danbri: i bought stalkomatic.* last week too
15:14:19 yvesr: i am sure i am an unreciprocated friend of many people though, so that may be a bit depressing :-D
15:14:20 danbri: (after privacy discussion with a former spook)
15:14:43 Gandalfar: the question is .. can you define a former friend?
15:14:52 Gandalfar: used-to-be-friend relation?
15:15:01 yvesr: Gandalfar: not sure, but there might be somehting in the relationship ontology
15:15:17 danbri: if you kept historical logs in the crawler, you could find dropped friendships with a sparql query
15:15:22 Gandalfar: is there "it's complicated"?
15:15:27 libby: like pastProject' analogous?
15:16:25 peepo: back again
15:16:41 peepo: any interesting picture feeds?
15:16:55 yvesr: "would you be my \"it's complicated\" on facebook?" - http://xkcd.com/355/
15:17:01 cbetta: lol
15:17:06 cbetta: xkcd rules
15:17:09 yvesr: :)
15:17:12 Gandalfar: if I do RDFa without defining xmlns in <html> .. would be the whole effort useless?
15:17:14 danieljohnlewis: peepo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/semanticcamp/
15:17:37 peepo: yup, already covering flickr
15:17:46 peepo: also ebay, yahoo news
15:18:04 peepo: they are hard to find